19-May12: Bill-Thorton, Angela-Stark, Greg-Slaughter, & Chappy-Chapman. http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=120347&followVal=true&cmd=follow Call ID: 120347 http://1215.org http://www.protectorsofliberty.com/ http://www.werus.us/ “Writ of Error” is Bills “Trump Card” for when the Judge Dis-Obeys the Law. Your Sovereign Status is Established by the “We the People” wording in our State & National Constitutions. Open your Complaint or Counter-Complaint Document with an Opening Statement that says something like: “I am a Member of Sovereign Body of 'We the People' as Recognized in our State & National Constitutions. The Judges are Dominated by the Executive Branch. This happens when-ever the DeFacto “Equity” Jurisdiction is invoked. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects ... with none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty." Chisolm v. Georgia (US) 2 Dall 419, 454, 1 L Ed 440, 455 @Dall 1793 pp 471-472 “The people of this State, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the King by his prerogative. Through the medium of their Legislature they may exercise all the powers which previous to the Revolution could have been exercised either by the King alone, or by him in conjunction with his Parliament; subject only to those restrictions which have been imposed by the Constitution of this State or of the U.S.” Lansing v. Smith, 21 D. 89., 4 Wendel 9 (1829) (New York) ("D." = Decennial Digest) Lansing v. Smith, 4 Wend. 9 (N.Y.) (1829), 21 Am.Dec. 89 10C Const. Law Sec. 298; 18 C Em.Dom. Sec. 3, 228; 37 C Nav.Wat. Sec. 219; Nuls Sec. 1`67; 48 C Wharves Sec. 3, 7. (NOTE: Am.Dec.=American Decision, Wend. = Wendell (N.Y.)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Thorton on Angela's Talkshoe Conference, Notes: 9?-March-12. http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/courtwork.htm http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/procedure.htm Bill T does not brag about lots of winns in the corrupted courts either. CPS seems to be nationally "Criminal" in its nature; BT says. "A judge is not allowed to make any decisions in a 'Court of Record'." "They (the corrupted judges) are getting better organized." "Any decision by a 'court of record' can not be reviewed by the supreme court. "the judge is going to do what he is going to do." Bill is content to let this happen, & to rely instead on after-the proceedings documents, such as "Writ of Error". "Offer of Proof" documents are frequently useful, Bill says. "In Counter-Claim, it is very important to raise the issue of 'Jurisdiction'." It is a "Time-Out" for the court. "Special Appearance", for purpose of jurisdiction. Declaring a "Court of Record" establishes four points. "Nobody can appeal a decision from a court of record." Follow up with "Writ of Error", & if that does not work, then follow-up with a "Contempt of Court" proceeding. "Writ of Prohibition" or "Writ of Mandamus", are follow-up steps from there. Bill said (a bit after the 36-minute mark): "When you file a Counter-Complaint, you are opening-up 'Your Own Court', by your own sovereign authority. That court building becomes "Your Court", & the Constitution recognizes this. Indivuals cam proceed 'in the common-law' against corrupted public-servants. Bill says there are still good people in the system. The judges do not operate in a vacuum. They talk with each other, & some judges are good. Bill tries to set-up a situation where the judge is surrounded by the real "Law". That way, when the superior &/or corrupted jusdges ask why he did not enforce public-policy, he can say that the law did not allow him any other choice. It keeps him out of trouble. In one case, habeas-corpus was filed in every court possible, appellate & supreme courts, trial courts, & others When a judge ordered her release, he also ordered the court-records related to the entire case purged/destroyed. Litigant issued her own "Bench Warrant". Court procedings are also "Psychological Warfare". Who can intimidate who, with their proceedings. (Very nice, very important.) "A 'court of record' must proceed according to 'common-law procedure'. and finally, the tribunal must be independant of the magistrate. If you see a judge sitting on the bench & making all of the deciusions, then that is not a 'court of record'." After you get railroaded (which usually is what happens) then you have to use writs of mandamus or prohibition. 1:09:20 mark, or near: "Special Appearance" Motions have to be filed well in advance. The Judge needs time to become acquainted with your arguments challenging jurisdiction. "They had better answer the counter-complaint, or else they "Default" ~~~ I stopped at the 1:20:00 mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Summary: Bill does not seem to have any really deep answers. He may be one of the best around, but he still is not capable of doing anything significant to stop the epedimic of corruption. Bill lives in fear, just like the rest of us.